The national ADL has issued another statement related to the Armenian genocide controversy, stating the organization still opposes the passage of a Congressional resolution recognizing the genocide.
The force and passion of the debate today leaves us more convinced than ever that this issue does not belong in a forum such as the United s Congress.
The proper role of those of us who deeply believe the controversy must be resolved is to promote and support Turkey and Armenia in efforts to bring them together to begin the process of reconciliation.pandora charms Although independent scholars may have reached a consensus about the genocide, in an effort to help accomplish the reconciliation there is room for further dispassionate scholarly examination of the details of those dark and terrible days.
As the TAB reported earlier, Newton Human Rights Commission have postponed its decision to withdraw from the ADL sponsored No Place for Hate program while members monitor the positions and actions taken by the national organization.
What do you think the city should do?
The ADL has had more than enough time to take all the appropriate steps to fix this situation. I imagine that both Turkey and Israel have been yelling at Foxman about this. But here the truth: vigorous but civil debates filled with force and passion is exactly the sort of debate we should be having in Congress. Congress ought to take a stand that genocide denial cannot be tolerated. Turkey and Israel ought to remain friendly. But they should do so because they share common interests and positive values, not because they both deny a genocide.
So Newton needs to make a stand if Congress won We should still do programming like the sort we did with No Place For Hate. Incidentally, there a program on genocides which includes the Armenian Genocide that the Newton No Place for Hate got approved and had put forward for years. I don see why we can still do good, quality programming like that or even expand the reach of such programs. And we can do it without being associated with the ADL.
recognition of the holocaust should end is so, very very sad, that people just can not stand up and have the courage to do the right thing.
Every act of such immense hatred must be recognized, and must be remembered or we have no chance of preventing the next one.
It is within the dark side of human nature to treat others in such horrific ways.
Lets not worry so much about upsetting the perpetrator. Humans are fairly strong in their capacity to forget what wrongs they have done to others. Not every case, but I always find it laughable, how the person on TV is sobbing and apologizing, only after they are caught. It seems their conscience rarely troubles them enough to admit what they did wrong, until after being exposed.
Many guilty, seem to be able to compartmentalize their crimes, and think pretty highly of themselves. Even in today paper we read about the Mashpee tribal leader, who admits to having lied about his past, among them the fact he raped a 22 year old woman, years ago. But, it was worth noting that that experience in his life, didn seem to permanently damage his self image, as he described himself during the same interview he acknowledged his past, I not a bad person. act of genocide needs to be specifically identified, and condemned by all and never forgotten.
In Long Shadows: Truth, Lies and ; Erna Paris takes her readers on searing, personal examination into the shifting terrain of war and memory that seeks to understand how nations come to terms with their most painful history. She begins by quoting George Orwell: his landmark work, Nineteen Eighty Four, George Orwell reminds us of what the powerful have always known: who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future.’ the subject of genocide and the Paris includes a discussion of deliberations of the President Commission on The Holocaust as struggled to piece together a museum [Holocaust Museum] that would work for everyone. Commission Chairman, Elie Wiesel, Paris says, not back away from the most contentious question that had faced the commission: are we to remember? Wiesel is quoted as saying: exists a moral imperative for special emphasis on the six million Jews. While not all victims were Jews, all Jews were victims, destined for annihilation solely because they were born Jewish Holocaust] is essentially Jewish,. Paris continues: powerful claim for uniqueness was constructed on the argument that although there have been unspeakable massacres throughout history other group of people was killed because of who they were, as opposed to what they had presumably done. the Jews were objects of genocide, as defined in this way. The point, according to the German philosopher Jurgen Habermas, was that [in Auschwitz] one touched on something which represents the deep layer of solidarity among all that wear a human face; notwithstanding all the usual acts of beastliness of human history, the integrity of this common layer had been taken for granted has changed the basis of the continuity of the conditions of life within history. In other words, a profound human taboo was transgressed. Armenian American community wanted recognition of its history, but some members of council worried that including the Armenian story might open the door to recognizing other tragedies, such as the ravages of Pol Pot in Cambodia, or the massacres of North American Indians. The question was, Who is and who is Ironically, Israel also refused to acknowledge the genocidal nature of the Armenian slaughter: Israel had a strategic relationship with Turkey. to belabor, too much, the exclusively Jewish nature of an equivalent to The Holocaust; at least the six million Jewish portion, if not the five million Romany, etc. part; as this has been defined for us; to depart from this consensus, reached after years of discussion, reflection, heart rending emotional confrontation, etc.,. now, will reopen a painful Pandora box. Neal and others apparently want to throw Elie Wiesel winning argument overboard and either deflate the uniqueness of the Jewish genocide or elevate other acts of state sanctioned violence. All in favor?
Neal seems to cringe at my words: “Official recognition of the holocaust should end”. quoted in his previous post. But if this means official recognition of exclusively the holocaust, then, we may be able to have recognition of against humanity without pointing the withered, pathetic, finger of judgment at the dead, national identities, ancestry. Maybe, if we are free to examine the record of the past with open minds and open hearts, the likelihood of revisiting over and over again our collective tragic past will diminish. I suggest either retention of the [generally] accepted status quo or the redefinition of the meaning/memory of genocide to include all realistically comparable state sanctioned acts and by all means why not start with the Armenian (near) extermination.
When reflecting on this issue, have you read House Resolution 106, the of the Armenian Genocide? It reads like a judgement with a bill of particulars attached. I thought that the accused had the right to confront the accuser in this country. Perhaps some interested Turks would be interested in talking to Congress. No?
I am quite moved by your story you share with us. http://www.charmspandoraca.com Your personal history, though it appears fascinating, is irrelevant to this discussion. As is my family history.
What have I done, you ask? Is this the standard you wish to invoke? That unless you have personally suffered, then you are not to stand up and speak out for others? Surely you jest? Or is it a round of you top this family tragedy that is next?
You seem to be twisting principles George, with no postive result in sight. We have not been speaking of the US government, we were speaking of the ADL position. We were not speaking of a court of law, the accused could face their accuser.
You quote Ellie Weisel, in attempt to defend (in my opinion) an indefensible postion. Let the record show that not only has Elie Weisel been quite public in his urging the recognition of the Armenian genocide, but it is his personal conversation with Mr. Foxman which played a significant role in altering Mr. Foxman poisition.
I think Mr. Weisel would find it quite ironic that somehow you would use his words to bolster an argument against his own position.
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